If I wasn't so stubborn I would have clapped as well, instead I just had this giant stupid grin on my face at how awesome that was. [–]SaltyCatfish 346 points347 points348 points 6 years ago (1 child). Like an actor moving up stage for a soliloquy, what you see is presented for the sake of the audience but isn't necessarily happening within the four walls of the story, [–]SageOfTheWise 337 points338 points339 points 6 years ago (0 children). I took from the movie that every character wanted some sort of acceptance. Right after Birdman finished going to the bathroom? [–]bloodflartowner of 5 Bags Cinema 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (1 child), dude the cab driver could have gone to any random dude in the theater, [–]WattersonBill 37 points38 points39 points 6 years ago (1 child). By doing that, it sort of puts the Birdman persona to rest. The anti-criticism (as an art form, and its outsize influence on art today) meta diatribe in both was not subtle but it sure was enjoyable. [–]cruelfate 59 points60 points61 points 6 years ago (2 children). The post will then be hidden like this. Studios should pass up that sweet sweet foreign market for niche, cosy, dialogue-driven movies that might only be relevant to a few million people rather than 100+ million people who can enjoy the shoot em up bang bang? One thing though is I think it's a little preachy for its perspective on the summer blockbusters/ superhero movies. And don't some directors say that Norton isn't a "team player" and that he tries to take control of a lot of his movies? Not just Birdman. I think he never jumped out of the window and his daughter never looked out to see him (presumably) flying. Otherwise, I loved the film, a really well-done dark-comedy. Even after he receives the news that his play has done spectacularly well and that he managed to win over the most antagonistic critic possible, Birdman is still shadowing his every move. Couldn't agree more with your whole post, [–]karlington8 112 points113 points114 points 6 years ago* (7 children). Anyway, the weird paralles between the play and elements of Riggan's life make it hard for me to believe that Riggan dies at any time other than at the very end of the movie. use the following search parameters to narrow your results: Click 'spoiler' after posting something to give it a spoiler tag! I love it when movies/plays that feature a play actually use it to further the larger themes, or explicitly contradict them. Welcome to the Rainbow Six subreddit, a community for R6 fans to discuss Rainbow Six Siege and past favorites. and Norton responds by ribbing into Keaton for being a Hollywood actor. After he shoots himself, is there finally a cut in the film? The only thing I got out of that movie was how to pronounce 'ouija'. Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage. That is what the director wants: to show the beauty of ignorance, and the happy impression it could put on an audience. One point that I obsess over in the film is that it's one long shot with the music never quite going away up until he shoots himself. A main theme to the film is what the audience wants. My attention was expertly guided through a brilliantly laid out maze. (in whatever metaphysical light you want to define 'after' in), Attempted suicide being a theme the whole movie, you can't help but feel conflicted in deciding one way or the other. It cuts from birdman saying "Give the people what they want" to the lesbian kiss. So he shoots his off and gets a new one. Definitely going to see it again. I didn't take it as he walks away from the explosions and guns. He was beloved by his family. I think this is what this movie really boils down to in the end - but I'm not near smart enough to articulate it. [–]mayonnaise_man 36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (1 child). It seems every time he takes off the wig/mustache and exposes himself to anybody, they lie to him. It was almost exactly his Batman voice. It'll take some rewatching and mulling to analyze it more than that, but the best way I can think to describe it is a bit of Charlie Kaufman's Synecdoche, New York, but less surreal, [–]weighingthedog 14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (4 children). He's never been on broadway and he's used to hollywood, sure, but is it deeper than that? Any idea whats going on in the last scene where he jumps out the window? Payment will be charged to your iTunes Account at confirmation of purchase. Share This Story. I kind of thought Tabitha leaving the theater in such a huff was because the show was so good she couldn't bring herself to write the kind of terrible review she promised, in part supported by the people discussing how great the first act was. I would have to say that Riggan finally got everything he wanted and that he could finally die in peace. I can't recommend it enough, I was enthralled and entertained for every second of the movie. One thing though is I think it's a little preachy for its perspective on the summer blockbusters/ superhero movies. Not a title to rave about. See, people always argue whether or not Bateman had killed those people, but the point of the ending was that it didn't matter. Agree with others that the falling flame we see in the sky, twice, is Icarus, not a comet. In the beginning of the film he is questioning his environment. I loved the movie. The 'lesbian scene was weird, it came out of no-where. There's a difference" and gets "With him, it's usually both" in response, [–]Shazoola 22 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (0 children). I wasn't really sure what the movie's point of view specifically was. ), Post the outcome of an esports match in the title, Share any personally identifiable information likes full names, addresses, phone numbers (doxxing), Post any witchhunting/call-to-action/cheat accusation threads - Please send any reports to. That pretty much seals it for me. He wants to prove to himself and the world that he is actually a great person. It's a metaphor. Though I don't like how it debases the entire film in a certain way, I do like how once he accepts his suicide attempt backstage, confessing to his ex-wife, the show is finally able to end. Only he can see his magic powers because that represents how he feels about the world being unable to see his full potential that is pent up inside him. Keaton, Stone, and Norton are all going to get recognition for this, and rightfully so. I know this praise is expected because of how well the film is being received already, but nonetheless: My new favorite film of 2014 and it's gonna be a tough one to beat. [–]CupcakeOverdose 113 points114 points115 points 6 years ago (3 children), Meh, Norton seemed a bit flirty with her. Shout out to 50 Cent," Birdman said. [–]botanyisfun 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]kermit_alterego 90 points91 points92 points 6 years ago (1 child). submitted 20 days ago by Lion MainLionVSDoc_bar_fight, [–]-MainJuwan0123 5 points6 points7 points 20 days ago (2 children), [–]Lion MainLionVSDoc_bar_fight[S] 5 points6 points7 points 20 days ago (1 child). Here's an interpretation of the ending (and the film in general) that my friend and I came up with: Many of the scenes with two actors seem like total exaggerations of how people normally interact; punching eachother, making out, playing truth or dare...the vitriolic exchange of words with the theater critic. During the scene in which the light falls on the one actor's head, I'm fairly certain the characters in the play are discussing someone who tried to kill himself by shooting himself in the head, and they mention that he couldn't even do that right, and of course Riggan shoots himself in the nose which seems to also be a failed suicide attempt. She's not a hack... but she acts like an arrogant gatekeeper to Riggan, guaranteeing to his face that she'll destroy his play no matter what he does? It gave every scene a dreamlike feel that added to the blurring between reality and fantasy. Echoed in his tirade to Tabitha about risk and ambition. Riggan finally had everything he wanted. Birdman OR The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance. The point of the movie is that everyone has "power" of some kind: Riggan has the power to overcome his ego; Sam has the power to start anew and reconnect with her dad; Mike has the power to, I dunno, get it up? As to this topic i wouldn't argue one way or the other, because i haven't found an answer yet and i'm not sure there is one. This article doesn't contain enough information. I loved when Keaton stole the scene back from Norton in the locker room, talking about his dad with that hint of a tear in his voice, only to say "SEE I CAN DO THAT SHIT TOO" and proceed to punch Norton in the face. One more aspect to touch on are the magic powers. [–]caninehere 32 points33 points34 points 6 years ago (6 children), as well as a great score (pounding drums). Norton ended up taking over most of the editing of American History X IIRC, so I don't think it was a coincidence that that's what his character did in Birdman. The voice was introduced in a way that was almost "normal." [–]susansink 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child), If you want to read more about Raymond Carver and the layers to that reference, read this blog: https://susansink.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/what-we-talk-about-when-we-talk-about-birdman/, [–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children). Whether he succeeds in killing himself or not, the film is, more than anything, a study of his character--at both his most vulnerable and his most detached. If that makes sense. It's subtle things like that which make me firmly believe Emma Stone should win best supporting actress of this year. He also says something about the eye holes causing a man to not be able to see his wife, while the new nose causes him to not be able to smell the flowers, the one thing that he chooses to love in life, also a possible sign of his love of admiration. -Some of my favorite visuals in the film: an overhead of the stage as the camera moves away from Shiner and Sam, a shot of Christmas lights in a liquor store, and the entire “flying around the city” sequence. Phenomenal film. [–]chemicalssos 19 points20 points21 points 6 years ago (5 children). I loved how meta this movie was. I almost started clapping after Keaton blasted the critic but I just couldn't. [–]KungFuDysentery 28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (1 child), [–]CoachTaylor76 318 points319 points320 points 6 years ago (21 children). They can also symbolize pride or youthful innocence. He is essentially in a battle with critics and public perception because he knows he has to overcome their recognition of him as Birdman first, actor second. After the first preview when Keaton and Norton go to the bar to get coffee. Another not-coincidence IMO. Rather, it is essential to the narrative because it reflects the realities of whatever characters–even those we see for a few seconds, like a certain cab driver–it may be following at the time; for example, many backstage scenes are written as if they are part of a play, and their showy natures highlight the ways that Riggan might write about his life if he wrote the script. Pick your own label. The lawyer, who he thought was his greatest confidante, who he trusts throughout the movie and appears to love and care about him, turns out to care only about the reviews and acclaim, not HIM. He was finally able to say "fuck you" to Birdman and is able to fly on his own. [–]_pollo_frito_ 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (1 child), http://variety.com/2014/film/awards/antonio-sanchez-saddened-that-oscar-nixes-birdman-score-1201386404/ :(, [–]KandoTor 16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]KazooKing 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (4 children). See, that’s what the app is perfect for. Add to that Riggan's confession to his wife that he "shouldn't have videotaped the birth of their daughter ... just the two of you ..." [and then, lamentingly correcting himself] "...the three of us...". This supports the hypothesis that what is happening on screen, her face, reaction, is in fact in his head. When coupled with the cinematic effect of single-camera/single-take -- a perspective one gets when attending a live performance of a play -- Inarritu's movie is best understood as a play [about a play!] [–][deleted] 145 points146 points147 points 6 years ago (6 children). There's discussion in the film that Riggan confuses admiration and love. It'll take some rewatching and mulling to analyze it more than that, but the best way I can think to describe it is a bit of Charlie Kaufman's Synecdoche, New York, but less surreal, meets a dab of Death to Smoochy. [–]Coachpatato 74 points75 points76 points 6 years ago (0 children). What we talk about when we talk about love? Roland Barthes is well known for his big idea of the Death of the Author. Perhaps the events in the play represent his actual life events while everything backstage involves his subconscious and the motivations of others. His very last thought before dying was the realization that although his daughter despised his career, she loved him--even though he "let her down", she still "looked up" to him. I want to talk about jellyfish. It's almost got a Usual Suspect vibe to it, in that it's pretty clearly a tale of desperately shallow man with great regrets crying out for help, only to be lied to by those around him as they served THEIR interests, and ultimately a man attempting suicide over and over... ...while 80% of the audience discusses his "super-powers"? What I love about the ending though, is that sometime's it's just okay for a scene to be symbolism. She is an animator and a music creator who creates memes and parodies of songs. [–][deleted] 71 points72 points73 points 6 years ago (2 children). Representing the struggle Keaton faces picking between his fame of the past (which he is largely embarrassed by) or critical acclaim, something he literally had to kill himself to get. But do you think he ever accepts or fully embraces this? With the superb review in the Times, Riggan escapes this trap of only being remembered as Birdman, and is once again remembered for another amazing role. Are they saying that leading male actors should not pursue the hundred million dollar opportunities that a successful comic book series could bring them? Also shown by how Birdman beats his meditation and breathing techniques. Birdman also revealed that his fellow rapper, 50 Cent referred him to a specialist that removed some of his tattoos after he made him realize that his face tattoos are not as they used to be. Great movie. Emmanuel Lubezki's work was stunning, as expected, and the cinematic approach to a theatrical production really worked here; there are several shots in the film that are absolutely gorgeous. If she understand that there is literal pain in the play, there is no way that it could run every night. but he finally got rid of the Birdman persona following him around in his own mind. Now we can all interpret it and it belongs to us. I wonder if Keaton is satisfied with his current celebrity status, which separates him from Riggan. [–]CaptchaInTheRye 182 points183 points184 points 6 years ago (20 children). Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance), or simply Birdman, is a 2014 American black comedy-drama film directed by Alejandro G. Iñárritu.It was written by Iñárritu, Nicolás Giacobone, Alexander Dinelaris, Jr., and Armando Bó.The film stars Michael Keaton as Riggan Thomson, a faded Hollywood actor best known for playing the superhero "Birdman", as he struggles to mount a … Nothing to back that up, but I did think that was a bit odd, leaving that scene without following up on that at all. After he shoots himself, is there finally a cut in the film? The second time it's his dying (whether really or only potentially) after shooting himself. He is now above that nagging Birdman who represented all the inner fears and desires for superficial successes. We will have a lot of different interpretations of the meanings of this movie, but it might be summed up really well by the ridiculously silly discussion of Roland Barthes between Keaton and the reporters ("did you eat baby pig semen? I believe this is also strong indication that after his failed attempt at suicide with the ocean and the jellyfish, he actually killed himself on stage. Yeah, I also loved when Norton did the same. When the daughter walks in, he sees that she loves him. [–]MillersHighLife 82 points83 points84 points 6 years ago (0 children). Something Different but I made Handsome Squidward o.o, Enemy sympathizers are summarily executed, You can use Yokai drones on hatches to confuse attackers... even IQ, Moderator | Head of the anti-fun department. You almost assume everyone else sees the world the same way because you see it that way. [–]12345lmnop 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children), Yeah, I noticed that too, the seamless movie shot, imo, indicates the relentless nature of creating the Broadway play. His wife is present, he got a rave review from Tabitha (despite the fact that we saw her not clap and walk out), his daughter knew what flowers to get him, and everything was good. I didn't get the movie. A lot of folks don't like the lesbian kiss scene, more specifically the lack of a payoff. [–]evan234 13 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children). [–]Not_ChrisHansen 69 points70 points71 points 6 years ago (3 children), Okay, call me crazy but I swear in the opening titles, when it said "Birdman" it spelled out Amour in the diagonal letters. [–]ConanTroutman0 127 points128 points129 points 6 years ago (5 children). Her expression was slightly too puzzled for me to think that would be her legitimate reaction. Just saw it, and just joined reddit specifically because of this great thread. [–]viqule 48 points49 points50 points 6 years ago (3 children). Out, out, brief candle! The play itself is the only time he gets close to real connection. Birdman says "goodbye, fuck you" as he walks out of the bathroom, meaning Birdman realizes that Riggan Thompson has finally escaped being pigenholed as Birdman. Did he commit suicide? With Michael Keaton, Zach Galifianakis, Edward Norton, Andrea Riseborough. I know this is not fully fleshed out and may be sort of rambling, but I wanted to put it out there and see what you guys think! [–]fattmagan 30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (0 children). I have a theory that it is at least partially a commentary on art criticism. In the scene where he uses his "powers" to smash up his room and Zach Galifianakis comes in, it shows him just using his hands. Incredibly well done film, potentially one of my favorites of all time. We're a team of content creators using digital avatars providing outstanding entertainment to the masses! REDDIT and the ALIEN Logo are registered trademarks of reddit inc. π Rendered by PID 31391 on r2-app-0eed30faf40c153be at 2021-02-18 11:05:34.281950+00:00 running 095aa3a country code: NL. [–]PiXeA 38 points39 points40 points 6 years ago (0 children), [–]Meanderthal1212 144 points145 points146 points 6 years ago (8 children). As for the ending, as cool as it would be to imagine Riggan with actual powers, I don't think he does. [–]TheRedComet 117 points118 points119 points 6 years ago (1 child). Ditto the entire sequence of Riggin falling asleep on the townhouse stoop (there is no way he would have been left there unrecognized and unmolested all night), & his imagining the Birdman 4 action sequence on that same street. Did he fly away at the end? The surrealism tone was phenomenal. Everything before that point is shot so that it appears seemless, but I believe that is the first cut in the film where the camera doesn't geographically follow him as he moves from Point A (the stage) to Point B (the hospital bed). He says goodbye to the Birdman on his toilet, and he jumps out of the window into freedom. If everything after him jumping off the building was a fantasy, it seems weird his fantasy would include the taxi driver explanation to his flying. [–]cauthon 177 points178 points179 points 6 years ago (0 children), Yeah, and I think he follows up with something along the lines of "Fired or quit? Beyond the obvious connection between the character Birdman and someone making artificial wings, there is a deeper connection between Riggan and Icarus: Unlike his earlier work in Birdman, he is attempting something great (like flying) and believes that the price of failure would be absolute (crashing and burning.) We'll never know, and that's okay, because it's not the point. If anything, this film showed why Norton should be taking over productions - he's got the talent to make them so much better. -On art and reality blurring together: we see it with the scene in which Birdman shows up, when the film becomes a blockbuster for thirty seconds. He becomes relevant again, but maybe for all the wrong reasons? In his dream sequences we see Riggan's fevered visions of failure- the jellyfish that represent his failures as a husband/father, the Times Square performers on stage representing his artistic failure (literally naked in front a crowd on the street, metaphorically so on the Broadway stage) and Icarus to show his ultimate failure- he is not Birdman, if he attempts to be something great, he will fail spectacularly and die for it.
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